Flat Rate Timber Sale - CornellForestConnect2024-03-29T11:11:30Zhttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/forum/topics/flat-rate-timber-sale?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood luck with the shoulder..…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2013-03-03:6448444:Comment:112332013-03-03T17:56:18.390ZJohn McNerneyhttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/JohnMcNerney
<p>Good luck with the shoulder... That's why I married a physical therapist. </p>
<p>I messed up my elbow pretty good throwing firewood a couple years ago. It turns out that gripping the end of a split piece with one hand and giving it a backhanded toss is about the worst thing you can do for that. The elbow and the muscles just below on my forearm were pretty messed up for a while. Being a "weekend warrior" didn't help... My arm just wasn't in shape for this, and by the time I noticed a…</p>
<p>Good luck with the shoulder... That's why I married a physical therapist. </p>
<p>I messed up my elbow pretty good throwing firewood a couple years ago. It turns out that gripping the end of a split piece with one hand and giving it a backhanded toss is about the worst thing you can do for that. The elbow and the muscles just below on my forearm were pretty messed up for a while. Being a "weekend warrior" didn't help... My arm just wasn't in shape for this, and by the time I noticed a problem, it was too late.</p> Hi John,
I hurt my shoulder t…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2013-03-03:6448444:Comment:112312013-03-03T14:29:07.522ZCarl Albershttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/CarlAlbers946
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>I hurt my shoulder throwing a chunk of firewood so have spent last 6 weeks going to physical therapy. I didn't want to proceed not knowing if I would be ready to handle a good batch of firewood. My shoulder is getting better so perhaps I won't be able to procrastinate much longer. Biggest problem with this sale is that it is marginal. The ash are sawlog size but just barely, ranging from 12 to mostly 17-inch DBH, bulk of them are probably around 14-inches DBH. The rest…</p>
<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>I hurt my shoulder throwing a chunk of firewood so have spent last 6 weeks going to physical therapy. I didn't want to proceed not knowing if I would be ready to handle a good batch of firewood. My shoulder is getting better so perhaps I won't be able to procrastinate much longer. Biggest problem with this sale is that it is marginal. The ash are sawlog size but just barely, ranging from 12 to mostly 17-inch DBH, bulk of them are probably around 14-inches DBH. The rest of what I have is hemlock and basswood. Many of the ash are surrounded by nice sugar maple, some red oak and a few black cherry. So challenge is to find someone who is interested in a low volume, low value sale, yet who will do a very careful logging job. Otherwise I just assume do nothing and let EAB take it's course (not quite on my property yet), girdle or cut for firewood trees that are hampering the growth of some of the other more high value species, etc. Fortunately I have been working with an excellent consulting forester and our local DEC forester is excellent as well. Thanks for the suggestions.</p>
<p>Carl</p> Carl -
I'm curious what you e…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2013-03-02:6448444:Comment:111222013-03-02T18:46:57.194ZJohn McNerneyhttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/JohnMcNerney
<p>Carl -</p>
<p>I'm curious what you ended up doing on this project.</p>
<p>I also wanted to point out that retaining a forester does not necessarily mean "putting it out to bid". You can still tell your forester that "I want to use Joe Schmoe as the logger on this". You might be well advised to consider if your forester has good reasons to consider someone else, but ultimately, its your choice. A good forester is likely to have good contacts among the logger community, and has seen a lot…</p>
<p>Carl -</p>
<p>I'm curious what you ended up doing on this project.</p>
<p>I also wanted to point out that retaining a forester does not necessarily mean "putting it out to bid". You can still tell your forester that "I want to use Joe Schmoe as the logger on this". You might be well advised to consider if your forester has good reasons to consider someone else, but ultimately, its your choice. A good forester is likely to have good contacts among the logger community, and has seen a lot of the work done by various loggers, in addition to having some knowledge about where the good markets are for what you have to sell. However, for me one of the prime reason to retain a forester is to develop a good plan for the long range for your forest, and help assure that the work done follows that plan.</p> Carl,
Oh, good - you've gotte…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2013-01-03:6448444:Comment:108222013-01-03T14:02:16.906ZTim Levatichhttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/TimLevatich
<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Oh, good - you've gotten advice from foresters. I think you're on the right track. Yes, small sales are hard to bid. Good luck with it and consider posting here any lessons learned.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
<p>Carl,</p>
<p>Oh, good - you've gotten advice from foresters. I think you're on the right track. Yes, small sales are hard to bid. Good luck with it and consider posting here any lessons learned.</p>
<p>Tim</p> Hi Tim,
I certainly don't wan…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2012-12-21:6448444:Comment:107152012-12-21T11:54:45.844ZCarl Albershttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/CarlAlbers946
<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I certainly don't want to do another high grade. Fortunately I've had several foresters thru just recently and it's become pretty clear that I need to remove the white ash, basswood and hemlock. All the other "micro" stands (species) have been taken care of in the previous harvest on each parcel. I could put it out to bid, however, my previous experience is that with such a small sale as this it won't attract many bids, and as I mentioned I would rather try to work a deal…</p>
<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I certainly don't want to do another high grade. Fortunately I've had several foresters thru just recently and it's become pretty clear that I need to remove the white ash, basswood and hemlock. All the other "micro" stands (species) have been taken care of in the previous harvest on each parcel. I could put it out to bid, however, my previous experience is that with such a small sale as this it won't attract many bids, and as I mentioned I would rather try to work a deal with a logger known to be careful in the woods. I may be wrong in my approach, but I think with a good contract I should be fine. Thanks again for your interest and all your other posts.</p>
<p>Carl </p> Hi, Carl.
You are paying atte…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2012-12-20:6448444:Comment:108182012-12-20T14:43:59.738ZTim Levatichhttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/TimLevatich
<p>Hi, Carl.</p>
<p>You are paying attention to many of the right things. What strikes me in your nicely detailed description is the number of times that your forest has been cut in the past and how many times these cuts have been high-grades. The low average diameter of the ash also indicates that this property has been cut fairly hard over time.</p>
<p>I would agree with Kevin, that a consulting forester would offer valuable advice. Timing is crucial and this may be the last time in quite…</p>
<p>Hi, Carl.</p>
<p>You are paying attention to many of the right things. What strikes me in your nicely detailed description is the number of times that your forest has been cut in the past and how many times these cuts have been high-grades. The low average diameter of the ash also indicates that this property has been cut fairly hard over time.</p>
<p>I would agree with Kevin, that a consulting forester would offer valuable advice. Timing is crucial and this may be the last time in quite a while to do some important good work that improves the quality of your stands going forward. If you can get some smart work done as part of the commercial logging job, the forest will be set up for best volume and value growth in the future. Setting up the terms of the job properly is critical in such cases. You want to attract interest from a logger and be reasonable, but also make sure all of the right things get done. This requires expert advice, tailored to your woodlot.</p>
<p>An additional benefit of a consulting forester is his/her knowledge of current markets. A 50-50 split may not be attractive to either of the loggers you are thinking of. On the other hand, it may shortchange you. Only a forester who is familiar with your area and has looked at your woodlot, and considered your goals, can propose a deal that will work for both parties. If you go into this without knowing the nuances, you may end up with another high-grade.</p>
<p>Good luck. Tim</p> Hi Carl,
I can understand you…tag:cornellforestconnect.ning.com,2012-12-18:6448444:Comment:109062012-12-18T14:27:45.024ZKevin Mathershttp://cornellforestconnect.ning.com/profile/KevinMathers
<p>Hi Carl,</p>
<p>I can understand your reasoning - but personally I would still prefer to work with an experienced consulting forester to address your situation. </p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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<p>Hi Carl,</p>
<p>I can understand your reasoning - but personally I would still prefer to work with an experienced consulting forester to address your situation. </p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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